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(@jp-stl)
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Just got back last night from a camping trip to Cinnamon Bay. Here’s my trip report. (Warning…it’s a long one!)

Our group (4 guys in our early 40’s…we grew up together and have been life-long friends) camped for 3 nights in a tent at the Cinnamon Bay Campground in the National Park on St. John. Overall, the trip was fanstastic. Thanks to the moderators and regulars here for all the advice. We needed to do this trip as cheaply as possible, and the information on this board was invaluable.

BEST ADVICE WE GOT FROM THIS BOARD:
* Rent a vehicle. We drove all over St. John and had a ball! We rented a Jeep Wrangler for about $70 per day (including taxes). Divided among our party of 4, that comes to less than $20 per day for each of us. A tip for other budget-consious travellers: while we enjoyed having the 4WD Jeep and made good use of it, we could have gotten by with a regular car for even less money. We needed the 4WD feature a few times on some of the more rugged (and scenic) roads, but if travelling cheap is your goal, it might be wise to rent a car instead of an SUV. You’ll be a bit limited on where you can drive, but you’ll save a lot of money and still be able to cover 90% of the island.

* Stock up on St. Thomas before getting on the ferry. Because we had rented a vehicle, we were able to stock up on supplies in St. Thomas before heading over to St. John. We went to a grocery store and a K-Mart and got our food and lots of beer. Unfortunately, the donkeys ate some of the food. More on that later. Fortunately, the donkeys couldn’t open the beer!

* We found the book “St. John – Off The Beaten Track” to be a great resource. It came with a map that we used constantly. The book and the map can be ordered on this site. Buy them.

THINGS WE BROUGHT BUT WISH WE HADN’T
* Mosquito netting. I’d heard that the tents at Cinnamon Bay don’t protect well against mosquitos. We bought some netting and hauled it down in our luggage. Complete waste of luggage space. Bugs were no problem, and the tents had adequate screens.

* Towels. Cinnamon Bay provides towels as part of the linens package when renting a tent or a cottage. These are just bath towels, not big beach towels, but they are fine. Wished I’d have left mine at home and saved the luggage space.

POSITIVES (I.E., THINGS WE LOVED)
* The unspoiled beauty of the National Park on St. John. One of the most beautiful places I’ve been. Unlike other ocean resort destinations, you don’t see lines of condos, hotels, bars, tee-shirt shops etc. lining the beaches and spoiling the views.

* Driving. The roads are a blast to drive on. The challenge of remembering to keep left is not that big a deal, and I wouldn’t let that scare you away from this great experience. Zipping around in an open-topped Jeep with gorgeous views all around was fantastic. If you’re the driver, just leave the beer in the cooler until you get back to camp and have your vehicle safely parked for the night!

* Camping just a few short steps from the beach! We grilled steaks at the camp. After dinner, for our “desert,” we’d take our cooler down to the beach to look at the stars and laugh and party for a couple of hours. Great endings to great days.

* Wildlife. Both land and sea critters. We saw a couple of 3-foot long iguanas (one of which literally dropped from a tree near our campsite one day with a loud thump), mongoose, these large turkey-like birds up in the mountains, egrets, etc. We watched the pelicans catching fish. The more populated parts of the island have goats and chickens roaming everywhere. At first, we got a kick out of the wild donkeys roaming around. Later, we came to hate those damn donkeys. More on that in the next section.

NEGATIVES (THE FEW DISAPPOINTMENTS WE EXPERIENCED)
* Donkeys. The damn things are pests for the campers. Several of the campsites had erected elaborate fences using ropes and sticks. For the first couple of days, we laughed at their paranoia. Just relax, we said. Why are these people so uptight about these cute donkeys? Then on Tuesday, we were “donkeyed.” The damn things ate everything in the campsite. Luckily, we were departing on Weds, so it was only two meals and some snacks that we lost. Plus a big mess to clean up. If you’re camping, beware of the donkeys!

* The rough seas. There were large swells coming in from the North throughout our stay. Spoiled the snorkeling. Couldn’t rent sea kayaks. It sucked. We drove around to the South side of the island where the water was calm. We found some pretty good snorkeling at Lameshur Bay, and adjacent at Europa Bay. These required 4-wheel-drive to reach. Salt Pond Bay (again on the South side) was calm, but the snorkeling was only so-so. What was so disappointing was that everything I’ve read – in Singer’s book, and in postings on this board, and elsewhere – indicates that the best snorkeling can be found on the North shore in places like Waterlemon, Solomon, and even Cinnamon. Frustrating to think that you’ve got a great place to snorkel just a hundred yards from your campsite, but the rough seas have spoiled it.

We tried going to Francis Bay, which is protected from the North. Swells were manageable, but the water was so stirred up that visibility was terrible. Tried Solomon as well. Again, swells were manageable, but the water clarity was not good. We were not in a position financially to book one of those $100 snorkeling trips, and we had really pinned our hopes on finding good snorkeling accessible with our jeep on St. John.

A question for the locals/regulars: Are these swells from the North a seasonal thing? Is this common in the winter? I’d like to know so that if I come back, I can avoid the time of year when the water is likely to be rough.

A RECAP OF OUR TRIP:
We arrived Sunday afternoon. My 3 buddies are much bigger football fans than I am. I booked the campsite last fall, without realizing that I’d scheduled the trip for Superbowl Sunday. So, they splurged and got a room at Bolongo Bay in St. Thomas and watched the game and partied there. I skipped the game, and instead I took the jeep loaded with our supplies across the ferry and checked in at Cinnamon Bay. Drove the island a bit, and got a sandwich in Cruz Bay, caught a bit of the game at a bar there, but then decided that I’d rather be at the campsite. I enjoyed a quiet night strolling the beach.

Monday, I got up and went for a swim and made some breakfast. My hung-over buddies had taken a cab to Red Hook and crossed over on the passenger ferry. I met them in Cruz Bay and we went exploring. In the afternoon, we went to Lamesure/Europa Bay. Best snorkeling of the trip. It was good, but not great. Saw lots of conch, colorful fish, parrot fish, sideways fish, YST fish (that’s Yellow Stripey Things), some nice coral, etc. We snorkeled out to the point that marks the western boundry of Lamesure Bay and out around that point into Europa Bay. The snorkeling right off the point was the best, although the currents were a bit tricky…hard to avoid scraping the rocks at times. Steaks and beers at camp for dinner.

Tuesday, we did Salt Pond Bay. Pretty, but the snorkeling was just so-so. Visibility was not great. In the afternoon, after consulting Singer’s book in which he recommends Solomon beach as a good snorkeling spot when the swells are bad, we set off. Others on this board have gone back and forth as to whether this is a nude beach. I can only tell you my experience from one afternoon…it is. And I was fine with that. In fact, after snorkeling for a while I came back to rest on the beach and I joined the ranks of the naked. There were maybe 20 people in total at the beach, and virtually all were naked or topless, except for me and my buddies. I felt out of place, like some lecherous old man. So, I decided to drop trou. It was fun, actually. I haven’t skinny-dipped since I was a kid. My buddies gave me a hard time (no pun inteneded), but I enjoyed my brief naked splash in the sea. Oh, the snorkeling was disappointing. The swells were manageable, but visibility was poor. Then, we hiked back up to the road.

Due to the donkey invasion, we went out for dinner in Cruz Bay on Tuesday. Stopped in at a couple of little spots, and had chicken wings at one and Mexican at another. Strolled around a bit and headed back to camp for our “desert” on the beach at Cinnamon Bay.

On Weds, we drove all the way out to the east end of the island. The snorkeling at Haulover Bay looked great, and I wished I had my gear along. But we’d already packed up and checked our luggage at the camp office for the day. On the way back, we took some back roads up over the mountains. It was great. There is a little road marked “Highway 108” that is like no “Highway” I’ve ever seen. I’ll say this, its certainly “high.” It climbs right up into the mountains and over the center of the island. Mostly unpaved. Usually steep and narrow. Spectacular views. It was scary at times, but lots of fun.

We crossed back over to St. Thomas, went to Havensight to gawk at the big cruise ships and buy some trinkets for the kids back home, and headed back to the airport.

It was a great trip, and I hope to come back with my 3 sons in a year or two. That will probably be a summer trip, so maybe we can avoid those nasty swells. And, we’ll bring some rope to keep the damn donkeys out of our camp!

 
Posted : February 10, 2005 4:54 pm
(@hoosier469)
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Great report JP! I've considered camping there a few times, but never really heard too many folks talking about it. I did hang out at Cinnamon Bay when the campground was closed in the low season (Sept '03) and think it's one of the most beautiful beaches I've ever seen. Sounds like you had a great trip!

 
Posted : February 10, 2005 6:32 pm
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Thanks for sharing your good time.
I have lots of fun reading it.
🙂

I am actually gonna go to camp in Cinnamon Bay next month and start packing already.

Should I bring fins to snorkel around Lamesure Bay area? (Or is mask and snorkel enough?)

Thanks

Colorado Boy

 
Posted : February 11, 2005 12:50 am
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The North Swells are an unusual occurance. We almost always have swells out of the East (the tradeswinds, ya know?). Coming out of the North really screwed things up for us here. Bad visibility and places like Trunk got battered.

Bring (or buy) swim fins. You will be able to stay in the water longer, as you won't get tired nearly as quick.

 
Posted : February 11, 2005 7:36 am
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Last time we were out there the donkey's could open the beer cans! Sounds like you had a blast. And as Marty said these northeast swells are unusual this time of year. Come back again!
Pamela.

 
Posted : February 11, 2005 9:45 am
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Great report! Even though we didn't camp, none of us were bothered by bugs at all. I did'nt get bit one time!

 
Posted : February 11, 2005 10:37 am
(@jp-stl)
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As for fins...you'll want them. I brought my own mask, snorkel and vest. I rented fins.

A couple of notes about Cinnamon Bay for any who are interested:

* The tent sites include a propane stove and lantern that were great.

* They also included some buckets and "bus trays" for dishwashing, and a big rubbermaid bin with a lockable lid. We kept our non-perishable food in the big bin, figuring that would keep it safe from critters. That worked fine, until the donkeys came. Apparently, the damn donkeys just kick and roll it around until it pops open, and then enjoy their feast.
In hindsite,we decided that if we had simply kept the big food bin UNDER the picnic table, we might have been OK. It would be difficult for the damn donkeys to get to it and open it under there.

* Linens provided include two sheets, a blanket, a nice pillow, pillowcase and a towel for each person. We were only there for a few days, but if you're there longterm you can periodically swap your linens for fresh ones. Twice a week or so, I think.

* The cots were fine. Good, sturdy metal cots that were nearly the size of twin beds. Mattress was about 4" thick. Not as comfortable as a bed, but pretty plush by camping standards.

* Tent was big enough for 4 cots, but no more. Don't know if all the tents are the same size, but all that we saw looked to be.

* Tent rental also included a large cooler. Ice is available for $2.50 per bag. In addition, we rented a smaller cooler that fit nicely in the back of the jeep.

* Those who are on baresites can rent the propane stove/lantern combo and also rent a cooler. The price was just a few bucks per day.

* Bathhouses were clean and well maintained. They had electrical outlets available. They featured full plumbing with real flush toilets. No hot water, though. Cool-water showers only.

* General store was pricey, but what else would you expect? It was pretty well stocked.

* Restaurant seemed OK, although we only did one meal there (breakfast on last day...because of the damn donkeys!). Service was on island time, but food was good and plentiful. Big, full breakfast cost us about $8 each.

 
Posted : February 11, 2005 12:30 pm
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Great trip report! We don't camp but very good info for those that do. I got a big chuckle out of parts of your trip report!
Sounds like you really had a great time.
We will watch out for the goats, I hear they are all over.

62 more days......

Grace

 
Posted : February 11, 2005 1:12 pm
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Are there refridgerators in the cabins, or is it more like a cooler? What about outlets?

 
Posted : February 15, 2005 3:40 pm
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Only got a brief glance inside one of the cottages. I don't recall if there was a fridge. I'd be surprised if there was, quite frankly, because everything there is pretty spartan. No running water, not much space, no closets, etc. It appeared to me to be just a square room with four cots. There was a light bulb and a small electric fan mounted on the wall. And one cabinet/wardrobe kind of thing was the only piece of furniture I saw besides the cots.

Come to think of it, I do recall that folks sitting out in front of their cabins on beach chairs had a cooler sitting next to them.

Which means either there is no fridge...or those folks were just too lazy (or relaxed) to get up and go inside to the fridge when they wanted a drink!

Also, you should know that the cottages are not detached, independent buildings. They are "row house" style, with rows of 5 or six cottages in each section. Each cottage shares a wall (or two walls) with the cottage(s) next to it.

I assume you've been to their website at www.cinnamonbay.com. They don't indicate a fridge among the features of the cottage, but rather to an "ice chest."

 
Posted : February 16, 2005 11:30 am
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How big are the coolers for the tentsites?

 
Posted : February 16, 2005 2:13 pm
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The coolers that come with the tents are quite large...at least 10 or 15 gallons in size. They rent smaller coolers to those on bare sites.

As for keeping food in your tent, nothing would prevent you from doing so. But the tents are not "donkey proof." The donkeys got inside a tent at the site next to ours and caused quite a bit of damage.

 
Posted : February 16, 2005 3:50 pm
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Donkeys love tents! The trick is get a couple of big rubbermaid bins...catch six or seven mongeese...put them in and shake it up...put on a donkey path...sit back and get the video camera ready!!! (Just kidding!!!)(you don't want to mess with either one!)

 
Posted : February 16, 2005 10:23 pm
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WONDERFUL trip report 🙂 Thanks so much for sharing. It sounds like you guys had a great time!!

--Islander

 
Posted : February 17, 2005 11:46 pm
 Matt
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Great report....Thanks!

JP.

Would you suggest renting the jeep in SST or in STJ?

I am heading to STJ in June with two kids ages 9, 7 for a week of camping and am trying to figure out which would be easier and best price option given I will be traveling with two tired little girls when I arrive.

Where did you rent your jeep from from?

Matt

 
Posted : February 18, 2005 10:12 am
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I can't make an informed recommendation, since I've only been there once...I don't have a point of comparison.

We rented from Budget at the STT airport. We felt this would be the quickest and easiest. In addition to having the rental car for the duration of the trip, it also becomes your airport transportation.

It was cheap for us, because we were splitting the cost among 4 travelling companions. The jeep cost us $70 per day (roughly) including all fees and taxes. The ferry was $35 round trip. You could save some money buy renting a cheaper car rather than a 4WD jeep.

Another factor to consider is that you're camping. You'll want to buy supplies somewhere, and I can only imagine that it would be difficult to do that without your own car. There is a warehouse-style store on STT called Cost-U-Less, plus other grocery stores like Pueblo, where you can stock up and load up the car with supplies. There is a store at the campground, but selection is limited and price is high there.

So, we rented at the airport and had a good experience. I can't comment on the alternatives since I've never done otherwise.

 
Posted : February 18, 2005 5:24 pm
 matt
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Thnaks JP - One more question, I was reading somewhere that some rental agencies don't let you put the top down on the jeep if you do you get hit with a pretty costlt fine. Did you have yours down or was Budget uptight about that too? I have a res w/Budget....hope I can put the top down...adds to the island fun.

 
Posted : February 26, 2005 3:31 pm
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We kept the top down 90% of the time. The agent at Budget never told us of any restrictions in that regard. In fact, she made a point of telling/warning us that we were renting a jeep that had open sides...it could not be secured or locked.

 
Posted : February 26, 2005 6:05 pm
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For all you Cinnamon Bay types: We stay on a sailboat in Maho Bay, one point to the east. There is great snorkeling around the point at the east end of Cinnamon. Really big jewfish usually under a big rock there. Stay for a bit and watch the pelicans fish. Once around the point, snorkeling is OK but can be murky. Past the first beach is Maho Point, with an eco-lodge you should check out. The next beach is a long strip of sand along Francis Bay. Continue around to the point at the northwest tip of the bay. The snorkeling there is fantastic. It can be rough if you go past the point. It’s a long swim but worth it. If you get tired or cold, hop out and walk the beach. Cinnamon Cay in the middle of C. Beach is good snorkeling, rarely any current or rough water, but it is for sale.
Snorkeling: Always get your mask fitted at home, bring it and the snorkel along. We bring our fins, because rentals probably don’t fit as well. Always wear fins – if you get in an area with rough chop or a current, you absolutely must have them.
Tony

 
Posted : March 20, 2005 8:17 pm

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